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| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 6:25:27 PM | Mark
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Hey Ss7gogetenks,
relax! Its only a cartoon and not everyone has seen as much of it as
you! "Newbie championship belt" geeezzzzz, get a life! There is more
to life than DBZ you know.....
Well, I doubt he's a bot,
so I think it's safe to say he already has one.
-
Radittsu
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idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK KNIGHT! |
| From: FighterX
| Posted: 7/26/2001 6:29:21 PM | Mark
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There was a topic on
this a while back. It had things like this...
SS as in
"super saiyan". The "SS" could stand for that German guy ( can't
remember his name ) with the same initials that worked for Hitler.
Something Schultz, I believe...
Krillin is depicted as being
weak ( as being Jewish )
Look at Cell's 2nd and 3rd forms:
From 2 resembles a Japanese anime "black person" with the big
lips:
Cell's 3rd form resembles a caucasian person ( notice the
white areas on him in places )
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| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 6:43:06 PM | Mark
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"blacks are getting
extra treatment" oh really. how bout u come with me tomorrow when i
try to open up a new bank account. i think you'll be surprised how
fast my "extra treatment" evaporates. if you couldn't tell im a
black man. things like people not putting us in tv shows and
cartoons don't really bother me cause i don't care. its asinine
comments like "extra treatment" that get to a person like me. heres
a little advice, until you've been pulled over for doing nothing but
having a nice car (as i have), or been followed around expensive
clothing stores (as i have), or been asked "are u sure u can afford
this" (as i have, earlier today), u really have no right to tell me,
or any other black person for that matter, how we've been "treated".
got it? or do i have to simplify?
I haven't heard those
kinds of complaints from other black people I know. I don't know,
perhaps it's regional.
Compared to a lot of other ethnic
groups, blacks do quite well. Whites are more likely to condemed to
death for murder after being charged. Have you ever listened to some
of those black stand-up comedians? They go on and on about stupid
whites, but if whites say one thing about blacks, they're racist. No
one much seems to care that, say, a black man gets hired instead of
a more qualified white one because of programs that are supposed to
PREVENT discrimination.
Look here. I have NOTHING against
anyone of any race. If I came off that way, I didn't mean to. I'm
sorry those things have happened to you, but some idiot is always
going to bother you for SOME reason, be it race, political
affiliation, sexual preference, or whatever else. Some people are
just ____ing stupid, ain't a damn thing that's going to change
that.
- Radittsu
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Not all liberals are idiots,
but most idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK
KNIGHT! |
| From: AbsoluteLaguna
| Posted: 7/26/2001 6:45:12 PM | Mark
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| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 6:58:46 PM | Mark
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It doesn't matter how
often black people are seen in DBZ, that's not the problem. THE
PROBLEM IS HOW THEY ARE DRAWN. Let's say Mr. Popo isn't human, What
about Killer from Dragon Ball? And about the black baseball player
show in an episode of Saiyan Saga. The had the same big goofy pink
lips. Even if A T hasn't seen that many black people, I know he
hasn't seen any that looked remotely like that. That's my reasoning.
And no, I'm not black, but I have friends who are. This critique
isn't coming from them either.
Alright, don't take this
the wrong way, but I have seen SOME black people with large
lips.
I don't see anyone complaing that Misutaa Satan is an
American stereotype (Which he most certainly is). Sure, there were
some stereotypes, but
Italian/French/British/Canadian/Mexican/Homosexual/Asian stereotypes
are thrown around in America all the time. Does that mean we hate
these people? No. Does that mean we think these people should be
lynched? No. Very few people complain about those (And when they do
they're written off as crazy), but when people see ONE black
stereotype, they IMMEDIATELY assume that whomever drew it is a
racist.
- Radittsu
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idiots, but most idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK
KNIGHT! |
| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 7:04:59 PM | Mark
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About the hair turning
yellow...
In Japan, if you dye your hair yellow, you're
considered rebellious, punks, no-goodniks, et cetera. Akira Toriyama
being the gag manga artist he is, I think that was his
intent.
- Radittsu
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Not all liberals are
idiots, but most idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK
KNIGHT! |
| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 7:10:48 PM | Mark
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SS as in "super
saiyan". The "SS" could stand for that German guy ( can't remember
his name ) with the same initials that worked for Hitler. Something
Schultz, I believe...
"SS" was a Nazi troop, not a man.
The Japanese probably don't think about Romanjii all THAT much,
anyway.
Krillin is depicted as being weak ( as being
Jewish )
Buddhist. But in the original series, he was
quite strong. And Kuririn is usually depicted as being
brave.
Look at Cell's 2nd and 3rd forms: From 2 resembles
a Japanese anime "black person" with the big lips:
Did
2:3 Body Seru even have ANY black on him?
Cell's 3rd form
resembles a caucasian person ( notice the white areas on him in
places )
Find me one damn person whose skin is THAT
fair.
- Radittsu
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Not all liberals are
idiots, but most idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK
KNIGHT! |
| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 7:13:13 PM | Mark
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we should just shut
up before more flames arrive. it'd be better if this topic was
closed
I don't see some awful flamewar cloud hanging over
us. Besides, this topic is quite interesting.
-
Radittsu
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Not all liberals are idiots, but most
idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK KNIGHT! |
| From: AbsoluteLaguna
| Posted: 7/26/2001 7:14:18 PM | Mark
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i was talking about
before cause i was in a lo~ong argument and i don't feel like
getting into that again......actually, i kinda do lemme delete that
message =P
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"Ken Wa Kyouki, Kenjutsu Wa Satsujin Ken, Sore
Wa Shinjitsu" - Himura Kenshin |
| From: StriderHien
| Posted: 7/26/2001 7:42:39 PM | Mark
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Don't believe me on the
skin color? Compare these two pics of
Vegeta
http://www.blackgoku.com/images/Vegeta/Vegeta69.jpg
http://www.blackgoku.com/images/Vegeta/Vegeta27.jpg
This
one of
Trunks
http://www.blackgoku.com/images/Trunks/Trunks27.jpg
This
one of
Goku
http://www.blackgoku.com/images/Goku/Goku017.gif
These
two of
Brolly
http://www.blackgoku.com/images/Random/Broly008.gif
http://www.blackgoku.com/images/Random/Broly009.gif
The
nazi analogy is taking it too far out of context. No romanji is not
all that big of a deal, so forget the thing about the SS. "SOME"
black people have big lips. Yes, but lips THAT big are a very
small(micro infinitisemal) minority. And they also tend not to be
bright pink. Someone made a comment about toriyama making the lips
pink so you could see the distinction. That is not at all funny. On
top of which, there isn't any problem seeing Ubuu's lips is there?
Son raditzu, maybe you haven't heard "those kind of complaints"
because they know you don't care. Your information of blacks having
it better off than most ethinic groups is incorrect, and the
information about more white males is not true. And considering that
african americans are a minority in the U.S. that is really bad.
That's a very disproportionate percentage. People who stereotype are
racist. If you weren't racist, disrespectful or ignorant, why would
you stereotype someone? So you can commit a racist act and not be
racist? So someone can rob a bank and not be a thief
too?
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| From: AbsoluteLaguna
| Posted: 7/26/2001 7:52:58 PM | Mark
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wow you really looked
far to get these pics didn't you? too bad that even if they have
lighter skins it still wouldn't mean A T is racist cause he isn't
gonna insult his own race
why don't you concentrate on other
things that "might make him a racist"
i thought i already
explained this
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"Ken Wa Kyouki, Kenjutsu Wa Satsujin Ken,
Sore Wa Shinjitsu" - Himura Kenshin |
| From: AbsoluteLaguna
| Posted: 7/26/2001 8:02:33 PM | Mark
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and don't give me that
explanation where he has a personal problem, that's why he did it
cause he didn't do the coloring in the series, as someone already
said the workers at toei did it and they can't all have "a personal
problem"
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"Ken Wa Kyouki, Kenjutsu Wa Satsujin Ken, Sore Wa
Shinjitsu" - Himura Kenshin |
| From: KingofNewbies
| Posted: 7/26/2001 8:06:27 PM | Mark
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Toriyama was not the one
who colored in the DBZ anime. Get over it.
It was all colored in
by Toei workers.
The cartoons are meant to be funny looking.
We've got talking pigs and floating cats here! Hairy armed men with
afros. It's a cartoon, get over it.
If you want to talk about
steroetypical then PJs is a stereotypical show, not
DBZ.
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| From: Maverick3000
| Posted: 7/26/2001 8:13:28 PM | Mark
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Thank you Radditz for
getting my point across about blacks and whites. Theres reverse
racism going on there.
If Toriyama-sensei is racist then so
is a good majority of you. Laugh at a black man mocking whites?
Racism. Insulting someone for sexual perefence? Discrimination. Mock
the mental and physicaly disabled people? Discrimination. Using the
term 'Jap'? Racism.
All of us are guilty of racism is some
aspect. That doesn't make us all racist. Its what is in our heart.
You can't call someone racist like that if you dunno whats in there
heart cause your as guitly as being racist.
The diffrence
between some people and racist ones is whats in the heart.
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My turtle ran away
TO flame me aim me at:
EternalMav55 |
| From: ss7gogetenks
| Posted: 7/26/2001 8:55:43 PM | Mark
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That was touching.
*nominates Maverick for Head care bear job* Lol,
j/k.
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| From: Maverick3000
| Posted: 7/26/2001 8:59:45 PM | Mark
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YES!!!!!
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My
turtle ran away
TO flame me aim me at: EternalMav55 |
| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 10:48:04 PM | Mark
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"SOME" black people
have big lips. Yes, but lips THAT big are a very small(micro
infinitisemal) minority. And they also tend not to be bright
pink.
Yeah, but some are. I'll bet he's only seen one or
two black people in his life (like I've only seen a few people from
Egypt).
Someone made a comment about toriyama making the
lips pink so you could see the distinction. That is not at all
funny.
Maybe not to you, but I doubt the Japanese would
be amused by an Italian man with his fingers together in the air
yelling "That's-a spicy meatball!" Personally, I find that
hilarious. And I'm Italian, so you can't say that I'm prejudiced
against Italians. HAH!
On top of which, there isn't any
problem seeing Ubuu's lips is there?
Eh... depends on the
quality of the fansub. Eh heh. That seemed a lot funnier before I
typed it.
Son raditzu, maybe you haven't heard "those kind
of complaints" because they know you don't care.
YOU
FOUND ME OUT! I REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO MY GOOD FRIENDS!!!
Now that the sarcasm's done...
I've read articles by black
people who say racism isn't as strong a force as many people say
(Like "Hailing While Black" in the latest [I think it's the latest]
edition of "Newsweek." I didn't write it, but it makes some
excellent points. I think everyone interesting in this debate should
read it.)
Your information of blacks having it better off
than most ethinic groups is incorrect, and the information about
more white males is not true.
YOU'RE RIGHT, "THE WEEKLY
STANDARD" IS ABOUT AS RELIABLE AS "THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER," RIGHT?
You think I pull these statistics out of my ass?
And
considering that african americans are a minority in the U.S. that
is really bad. That's a very disproportionate
percentage.
There are more black people arrested because
there are more black people committing crimes. There are more black
people committing crimes because there are more poor blacks. IT'S
THAT DAMN SIMPLE. But, once they are on trial, WHITES ARE
MORE LIKELY TO BE SENTENCED TO DEATH. Why? Because white jurors are
afraid of being labeled "racists."
People who stereotype
are racist. If you weren't racist, disrespectful or ignorant, why
would you stereotype someone?
Because it's funny. Like
the "That's-a spicy meatball" thing I mentioned above. It's funny.
That doesn't mean I think Italians are inferior (After all, I am
one). I don't mind laughing at black comics making fun of whites.
Sure, that's stereotyping, but it's funny.
So you can
commit a racist act and not be racist? So someone can rob a bank and
not be a thief too?
Ugh... saying Akira Toriyama is
racist makes about as much sense as the paranoid theory some Muslim
leaders have that Pokémon is a conspiracy by Jews to
overthrow Islam (They banned the products for that
reason).
You may not agree with Akira Toriyama's sense of
humour. But, I don't know, I'm not very amused by a dog telling
another dog he can call himself "Skippy the Spacedog." Every ethnic
group has jokes made about them in America EXCEPT blacks.
That is racist. If you think Toriyama is a bigot, no one is
making you watch the show.
"All these years, he's been doing
a good job, and then he opposes one African-American nominee for
Chief, and suddenly he's called a 'racist.' That's bull ____." -
Firefighter, on his colleague being called a bigot because he
opposed a black chief
The word "racist" is tossed around too
freely nowadays.
- Radittsu
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Not all liberals
are idiots, but most idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK
KNIGHT! |
| From: Assassin14
| Posted: 7/26/2001 10:56:37 PM | Mark
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Here's some thing In the
atlana paper it asked these question
are blacks treated like
whites by police?
blacks 45% yes
whites 86% yes
Do
blacks get the same treatment by whites
black 89% no
whites25%
no
Black are treated the better my butt
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| From: AbsoluteLaguna
| Posted: 7/26/2001 10:58:57 PM | Mark
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Son Raditz II, sugoi!
(not sacastism)
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"Ken Wa Kyouki, Kenjutsu Wa Satsujin Ken,
Sore Wa Shinjitsu" - Himura Kenshin |
| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 11:17:40 PM | Mark
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Here's some thing In
the atlana paper it asked these question
are blacks treated like
whites by police?
blacks 45% yes
whites 86% yes
Do
blacks get the same treatment by whites
black 89% no
whites25%
no
Black are treated the better my butt
They may
feel the police are racist, because that's the message than many
newscasts are spoonfeeding people. They constantly talk about
supposedly out of control racial profiling, and then when blacks get
pulled over, they think that's the reason. Cops are out there to
protect us, and all we do is criticize them and call them pigs. And
then they wonder why it's so easy to get away to get away with
crimes.
"There are some pigs out there. It'd be a good idea
to off some of the pigs." - Al Sharpton, suggesting that blacks
should kill police officers
The minute a cop reprimands a
black person, they're a racist. Then so-called "black leaders"
suggest we kill them. This nation has gone mad.
By the way,
what does "sugoi" mean? I looked in a dictionary and it gave me
opposite definitions.
- Radittsu
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Not all
liberals are idiots, but most idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT,
DORK KNIGHT! |
| From: AbsoluteLaguna
| Posted: 7/26/2001 11:19:43 PM | Mark
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sugoi = "cool"
....
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"Ken Wa Kyouki, Kenjutsu Wa Satsujin Ken, Sore Wa
Shinjitsu" - Himura Kenshin |
| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 11:40:36 PM | Mark
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Ah. My "helpful"
dictionary says:
terrible, dreadful, terrific, amazing,
great
- Radittsu
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Not all liberals are
idiots, but most idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK
KNIGHT! |
| From: AbsoluteLaguna
| Posted: 7/26/2001 11:41:10 PM | Mark
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sugoi is
japanese
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Shinjitsu" - Himura Kenshin |
| From: ss7gogetenks
| Posted: 7/26/2001 11:43:52 PM | Mark
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DBZ RULES
ALL!!!!
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| From: LOST
| Posted: 7/26/2001 11:44:55 PM | Mark
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son radittsu, you say
the things that have happened to me in my life haven't happened to
your black friends. is that supposed to mean that they don't happen?
look, im not italian so i cant to you what its like to be italian.
by that same logic you cant really tell me or anyone else what its
like to be anything but what you are. right? now ill get back to
what this topic was really about. is akira t. racist? might be,
might not be. the real question should be, do you care? dragonball
was not meant to be some instrument for social change. my advice is
this, if you enjoy it, watch it, if you dont, then dont. just dont
take it for more than it is, a preety good anime. (there are much
better out there) now if you want to talk about an anime with a deep
meaning go watch (the much overrated) evangelion
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fathom who i am or how i came to be but, the path that leads to my
answers goes through.....YOU!!!!! -me- |
| From: AbsoluteLaguna
| Posted: 7/26/2001 11:45:13 PM | Mark
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DBZ RULES
ALL!!!!
.....
that's nice....
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"Ken Wa Kyouki,
Kenjutsu Wa Satsujin Ken, Sore Wa Shinjitsu" - Himura
Kenshin |
| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/26/2001 11:46:30 PM | Mark
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Yeah, it's an
English-Japanese dictionary.
DBZ RULES
ALL!!!!
---
Aaron Carter RULES!!!!
But if it rules
all, then what does Aaron Carter rule?
-
Radittsu
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Not all liberals are idiots, but most
idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK KNIGHT! |
| From: ss7gogetenks
| Posted: 7/26/2001 11:50:59 PM | Mark
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Aaron Carter rules the
foot that I will put in his ass for making those stupid ass
songs.
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| From: Son
Raditz II | Posted: 7/27/2001 12:06:49 AM | Mark
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son radittsu, you say
the things that have happened to me in my life haven't happened to
your black friends. is that supposed to mean that they don't
happen?
No. I was simply trying to make a point that
perhaps it was regional. I'm never good at making myself clear.
Sorry.
look, im not italian so i cant to you what its like
to be italian. by that same logic you cant really tell me or anyone
else what its like to be anything but what you are.
right?
Yeah, but I was trying to point out that in some
areas of society, blacks get better treatment. I think we ALL should
be treated equally.
now ill get back to what this topic
was really about.
Good idea, we strayed so far it's not
even funny.
is akira t. racist? might be, might not be.
the real question should be, do you care? dragonball was not meant
to be some instrument for social change.
Good
poiunt.
my advice is this, if you enjoy it, watch it, if
you dont, then dont. just dont take it for more than it is, a preety
good anime. (there are much better out there)
Eh, that's
a matter of opinion.
now if you want to talk about an
anime with a deep meaning go watch (the much overrated)
evangelion
I'm going to pick that up soon on CD in RM
format, actually.
- Radittsu
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are idiots, but most idiots are liberals. SUCK ON THAT, DORK
KNIGHT! |
| From: Toei
| Posted: 7/27/2001 8:50:39 AM | Mark
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This topic has reached a
whole new level of stupidity. :P Now you're saying he likes white
people and hates black people. How much more American of an idea can
you come up with?
You are still missing the point. This is a
Japanese cartoon made by a Japanese person. You people are
suggesting that AT sat down and thought, "well, how can I make these
black people look stupid?". That seems logical to us in America
because it is a problem here. But there is no such problem in Japan.
He has no reason to be racist towards blacks. I doubt he ever sees
any.
Some guy earlier responded to me saying that stereotypes
are made out of bias/racism. That is not always true, only some are.
Stereotypes are an unfortunate part of society. Look at American
sitcoms and you'll see what I mean. They always have the nerdy white
guy, the slang talking black guy, the effeminate talking hom0sexual,
etc. Nobody calls those racist though.
Look, you are talking
about a show made 10 years ago in a foreign country. Don’t try to
apply an American problem of modern day to it. It just doesn’t make
sense.
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| From: Lord
Arashi | Posted: 7/27/2001 9:05:17 AM | Mark
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If Akira Toriyama was
using stereotypes on purpose I doubt he created them himself, he
most likely got them from us Americans...
---
Lord
Arashi- ARM High Commander of Weather
"72 billion
Jinteks in this galaxy, and nothing can be done about the CORE
Vermin."-Lord Arashi |
| From: Deathwish
| Posted: 7/27/2001 9:23:00 AM | Mark
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uub was kinda
black...
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Deathwish... |
| From: StriderHien
| Posted: 7/27/2001 10:35:07 AM | Mark
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AbsoluteLaguna
I
didn't have to look far for those pics. I went to google and went to
the first site I found. Don't you think perhaps that Akira Toriyama
had to tell the people what colors he wanted everything done in? You
think the animation decide that? No, that is never the case in manga
to anime convertions. The artist always plays a role in art
direction. Whoever said it was the animators was wrong, and doesn't
know much about anime production.
KingofNewbie
The PJ's is
very racist. That doesn't make it ok.
Maverick3000
"If
Toriyama-sensei is racist then so is a good majority of you. Laugh
at a black man mocking whites? Racism. Insulting someone for sexual
perefence? Discrimination. Mock the mental and physicaly disabled
people? Discrimination. Using the term 'Jap'? Racism"
"You"?
You must be under the assumption that because I am against this kind
of racism, I am black. And that is a very incorrect assumption. All
of the racism you mentioned is wrong. Sexual preference insults are
prejudice, not racist. They are wrong too. I don't do any of that.
Cartoons are meant to be funny looking? That's funny looking in a
racist way? How many black people do you think are genuinely amused
when they those depictions? Racism isn't funny on the recieving end,
by someone outside of your ethnic group.
Toei
"But there
is no such problem in Japan. He has no reason to be racist towards
blacks....Look, you are talking about a show made 10 years ago in a
foreign country. Don’t try to apply an American problem of modern
day to it. It just doesn’t make sense."
Have you ever lived
in Japan? How can you make such an asinine statement? Since having
contact with America, the Japanese have been aware of their racism,
towards everyone, towards Asians, and greatly focused on blacks more
than anyone else. They have been aware of this racism the entire
time. You act as if the Japanese are new to racism, and that the
have no concept of what it is to discriminate against a minority.
The Japanese are just as racist as anyone else. Many ethnic groups
trying to assimilate with U.S. culture realize that blacks are
harshly discriminated against. They adopt this attitude and do the
same. That is the case in Japan "10 years ago". They were fully
aware of the racist attitude. How else would Akira Toriyama have
decided to draw them in "black face" style? That's American, not
Japanese. That's where Toriyama got it from. It was adopted from
american racism.
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| From: StriderHien
| Posted: 7/27/2001 10:35:53 AM | Mark
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Son Raditz
II
"There are more black people arrested because there are
more black people committing crimes. There are more black people
committing crimes because there are more poor blacks. IT'S THAT DAMN
SIMPLE. But, once they are on trial, WHITES ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE
SENTENCED TO DEATH. Why? Because white jurors are afraid of being
labeled "racists."
All of this is incorrect. Apparently it's
not simple enough for you. I'll try to make it simpler. Whites make
up 74% of the U.S. population, and blacks make up 11%. Poor whites
make up 9%(in reality 9%) of the U.S. population while poor blacks,
at an exagerrated(more than what is true) number make up 4%. There
are more poor whites in the U.S., seeing how there are more whites.
And it's interesting how the poor whites number close to the entire
black population. That's to give you an idea of majority and
minority. There are more poor whites, and they commit more crimes
than poor blacks do, seeing how, there are more of them. This is a
fact. More black however get convicted, due to racism. Blacks get
less time due to racism. This is fact. It's so funny that you say
whites are more "LIKELY" to be sentenced to death when MORE BLACKS
ACTUALLY ARE SENTENCED TO DEATH. The racism of this, is how can that
be if they are such a small percentage of the population? Black
people are not inherently evil. It' simple racism. There are many
more white police than black police. There is also a high chance of
these white police being racist. So if any minority(in this instance
a black person" get harassed by a police officer, they obvioulsy
don't feel protected. And I mean harassment, not just arrest, or
being pulled over, or being reprimanded. Since it hasn;t occured to
you, your not taking the time to understand the difference. There is
a definitive difference. Not all police are good. Another example is
that there are more poor whites than combined poor hispanics and
blacks. Less than 50% of all poor hispanics and blacks get treated
for sickness, while 73% of whites do. If you are not a minority,
then why would you be able to level with minority issues? Why would
your friends bother to talk tou about them? I'm not aware of the
relationship you have with your friend, but even if it is good, then
they still can't account for all black people. Likewise a few black
people in an article saying there isn't racism, is extremely
misleading. One source is not good for getting
information. |
| From: Toei
| Posted: 7/27/2001 11:04:38 AM | Mark
for Moderation |
First off, you need to
calm down. The racism in this country is so off the subject and
shouldn't be discussed on this board anyway.
Next up, there
is no racism towards blacks in Japan. I didn't say there was no
racism at all, I said no racism towards blacks. I don't have to go
there to know that. There is no racism towards them because there
are few blacks even there. As somebody already pointed out earlier,
the blacks that are there are treated as darker skinned Asians. Why
would they want to hate a people they have barely seen? America is a
special case. Most countries know little about other peoples. You
are assuming they are racist towards blacks simply because that is a
problem we have in America. The whole world is aware that racism
exists in America, but that does not mean they follow in the
footsteps of this country. To say otherwise is an 'asinine'
statement.
As for the artwork, I have already said that most
likely comes from stereotypes. That does not make them racist
though. That does not mean they hate black people. |
| From: Hectik
Gamer | Posted: 7/27/2001 11:18:37 AM | Mark
for Moderation |
jus please, for the love
of god, close this topic.
this board has hit a new low. it
really has. like im originally a LUEer, and this is BAD. im not a
snitch, so i dont mark for moderation, but sumone really should with
this one....this **** is just gettin out of hand.
---
AIM
Name: Hectik Gamer/Hoedigga
Mass murder makes me happy!
Dead bodies make me happy! Say what you will of me, ill always have
Juggalo Family! |
| From: StriderHien
| Posted: 7/27/2001 11:28:01 AM | Mark
for Moderation |
Your making poor
assumptions. I am more than qualified to speak about Japan
considering I am Japanese and have lived there for most of my life.
I can give detailed information on what the reality is, rather than
any speculation from people who have not been to Japan. I have seen
the racism towards blacks myself. All of which I have stated come
from personal experience, contrary to your speculation. Much of the
racism is an adaptation of American racism, because the Japanese do
not have any reason to hate blacks. Does anyone really have a reason
to hate any one? You don't have to hate someone to be racist towards
them. I'm also not the only person who thinks of Toriyama as being
racist. In essence, there are "bigger fish to fry" than Toriyama,
but that does not excuse him. It's a 'sensitive' subject, hardly
ever spoken of, so it makes sense that it would not make it to the
U.S, since not all Japanese have heard of it. But please, stop
saying the Japanese don't know anything about American racism, or
aren't racist against blacks. That's completely wrong.
And,
I'm not angry. Words only seem harsh when they are written and not
spoken. I think the conversation is very interesting, although
irritating. |
| From: Hectik
Gamer | Posted: 7/27/2001 11:41:05 AM | Mark
for Moderation |
just....drop....it........close the topic..im callin
wally
---
AIM Name: Hectik Gamer/Hoedigga
Mass
murder makes me happy! Dead bodies make me happy! Say what you will
of me, ill always have Juggalo Family! |
| From: fenix1230
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:00:23 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
i got question. how can
a population(black) that makes up only 11% of the total US
population, make up over 60% of the prison population. Racial
profiling in my mind is not worng. is it wrong to stop mexicans who
dont look like citizens from crosssing the border. is it wrong to
question people coming from islamic countries when they enter the
country. sorry,but i do not think so. terrorism and illegal entry
into the US is justified, and i think that racial profiling is
justified too. sorry if you think im wrong for this, and im asian,
and have been stopped for no reason other than having a nice car. I
have been denied service due to my race,and have been verbally
attacked because of it(in U.K.). sorry,i know that i am WAY off
topic, and i porbably wont make many friends with this message, but
i feel that if you are going to have a discussion, then both sides
must be stated. if you're going to start qouting percentages,then
give them from both sides. anyway,like i said before, DBZ is a
cartoon. AT isn't saying that white is right, and black is whack.
he's just a comic artist who wanted to make a fun series. cmon, you
guys are taking it way too far. you sound like those people who said
Heman Mater of the Universe is evil, and The Smurfs should be
canceled because they promote Diuidic lifestyle, which is why both
shows were cancelled. You guys also sound like the Rev who said
TeleTubies is wrong because the purple one is gay. Lighten up, get a
sense of humor, and get a life. And if you have ever laughed at what
Chris Rock says, regardless of your race, then you are a racist by
some or your standards. Hope i didn't offend anyone, but if i did,
im sorry. and of you wanna attack my statement, give me something
concrete, not "I Don't like you because you're racist." tell me
facts, not opinion if you're gonna flame me. and as far as treating
everyone equally.
---
It's not cheating, because it's YOUR
DOG! |
| From: android
35 | Posted: 7/27/2001 12:10:10 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
I think the posts are
getting too long for me to even care any more. Could you guys
shorten them up so people with short attention spans could follow
along?
---
FLAME ME FOR MY NEWBIE POSTS! - XxSSJ
GohanxX |
| From: fenix1230
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:15:16 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
revised short version.
AT is not racist. if you think he is,you're wrong. Have a nice day
=)
---
It's not cheating, because it's YOUR DOG! |
| From: StriderHien
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:20:21 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
Question
"I got
question. how can a population(black) that makes up only 11% of the
total US population, make up over 60% of the prison
population."
Answer
"Racism"
I did not know about
He-man being cancelled because it was Evil. To my knowledge there
was a second series. I did hear about the teletubbies incident, and
I think that is far too extreme. |
| From: StriderHien
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:23:52 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
In short:
AT is
racist/biased to a significant degree. However, there are people who
are much, much, much worse than he is, so it's not too productive to
focus on him. |
| From: fenix1230
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:24:24 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
answer:
racism
sorry guy, that's not an answer. it's a fact that
blacks commit a higher portion of crimes than other races. That's
not racism, that's a fact. Don't ignore the facts simply because you
don't like the truth. Truth, there is racism, but there is also
educated racial profiling. back your statement up,because you sound
weak with one word answers.
---
It's not cheating, because
it's YOUR DOG! |
| From: StriderHien
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:34:58 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
Question
"I got
question. how can a population(black) that makes up only 11% of the
total US population, make up over60% of the prison
population."
Answer
Racism. Although Blacks commit more
violent crimes, whites commit 50% of all crimes, while blacks commit
36% of all crimes. So how is it, that if they commit only 36% of the
crimes that they make up 60% of the prison population? While whites
commit crimes, they got off. When blacks commit crimes, they are
sentenced. These statistics are from the U.S. Bureau of census. It's
kind of interesting to see the two next to each other.
"Don't
ignore the facts simply because you don't like the truth. "
The
value of ones advice can be shown by how well they apply it to
themselves. |
| From: megadragoon
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:38:27 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
Strieder: "If
they know so little of black people, how to they know to draw them
like that? No black people have lips like that
Umm not to
sound racist, but "No black people have lips like that" isn't
totally correct. Maybe most of them don't, but some of the ones
around here do. Once again, this was not a racist
remark.
---
Common sense just isn't so common
anymore |
| From: Hectik
Gamer | Posted: 7/27/2001 12:39:41 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
and thats some
muthaeffin bs
---
AIM Name: Hectik
Gamer/Hoedigga
Mass murder makes me happy! Dead bodies make
me happy! Say what you will of me, ill always have Juggalo
Family! |
| From: fenix1230
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:43:04 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
nice answer. all i asked
was a good educated come back. nicely done. Now i bet that those
statistics are nation wide. I'm willing to bet, take into account
only major metropolitan communities, say Los Angeles, Philiadelphia,
San Francisco, and New York, then lets see how those stats look.
Because I'm willing to bet that # will change dramatically. And one
more question: I don't know where you live, but if your car broke
down, in a bad neighborhood, and you were alone, with no cell phone.
And you saw a car load of African Americans, ages 18-25, staring at
you, and driving slow, would you feel safe? Justify yourself now,
because a few months ago, and elderly korean man who doesn't speak
english was dropped off in South Central L.A. and he was beaten and
mugged by three african american individuals. Racism? against
who,the Korean Man who did nothing?
---
It's not cheating,
because it's YOUR DOG! |
| From: StriderHien
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:43:09 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
| Black people do have
larger lips than other ethnic groups generally speaking. Some of
them, but very, very, very, few have lips that large. About as many
black people have lips that large, as white people have noses like
in the movie "Roxanne". No black people have pink lips. The type of
drawing is a style based on racist "black face" depictions of black
people, AT is not drawing black people because he has seen them like
that. He is drawing them in the racist style of art. |
| From: StriderHien
| Posted: 7/27/2001 12:52:54 PM | Mark
for Moderation |
Those statistics are
nation wide. What is the point of taking city's with specifically
high black crime rates?
"In a urban inner city, with
impoverish(black) people, crimes rates will always be higher,
because there are more of them."
If ANY race of people were
driving slow staring at me in that situation, I wouldn't feel safe.
It has nothing to do with the fact that they are black. If there
were Japanese, I wouldn't feel safe, if they were driving slowly and
staring at me. If some of your ethnic group did that would you feel
safe? |
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